Recent versions of firmware will be removed

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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by ZL2FL » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:28 pm

Pretty sure from Rogers comment above that it's dead :(

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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by Jimmy » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:12 am

Jimmy wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:22 pm
Hmm....

I just bought my GD-77.

Is it still possible to update the firmware inside CPS if i download the file from telegram and point CPS to the right position on my harddisk?

Will the Firmware be continued or will this be the end of open GD-77?

Thank you,
Jim
I just bought the GD-77 on Amazon a few days ago. Can easily send it back. Maby will order the Anytone 878 instead? - Sadly more pricy AND no open source. So sad, so sad.

Happy to recieve some of your valued opinions, about continued/ discontinued open source project.

Thanks
Jim

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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by oh1fss » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:32 am

VK3KYY wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:02 pm
The source code will be released soon, however I will need to remove some private code which is not released, for various new functions and enhancements.
IMHO the reason why OpenGD77 became so popular is that it is (was?) open source. Please keep it open source. For example, open source WSJT is a success, but closed source ROS protocol is dead.

I don't see a bright future for a closed source version.
VK3KYY wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:02 pm
Under the terms of the Open Source license, it is still not possible for me, or anyone else to publish releases from the firmware, the Open Source license requires that all sources to the firmware release be available, and this is not possible because the firmware binary file is 30% from the closed source official firmware.
Did anyone complain when OpenGD77 still was fully open source?

The 30% BLOB is used like an external library (via the wrappers). That's not a problem. And if the inclusion of that BLOB into the .sgl file must be done in some other way, that's not a problem. For example, a simple script using the "dd" command would do the job easily.

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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by VK3KYY » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:56 am

The repo has been updated with the commit from the last beta release.

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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by Jimmy » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:52 pm

ZL2FL wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:28 pm
Pretty sure from Rogers comment above that it's dead :(
Maby Roger can post anything in this direction how this project can possibly be continued .... is there any possibility or not?

I think many people will come here within the next weeks and month.

I assume ..... most of them even don´t know whats going on right now.

Best
Jim

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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by da3020 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:00 pm

I can download latest stable release D2021.01.19.01 but how can I upload it to radio?
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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by VK3KYY » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:59 pm

If anyone wants to take a copy of the firmware please do so now, as I will be deleting the public repo in 12 hours

Note.

I did try to push my changes to the upstream master repo belonging to Kai DG4KLU, who originally started this project and whose repository was technically the absolute master

However I think for for legal reasons, Kai has now has decided to delete his master repository

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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by EA3BIL » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:54 pm

g0hww wrote:
Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:38 pm
I don't think it is fair to attack Andrew, KC7RBW, in this fashion.


I'll try to say in as less words and lines as possible...


REALLY??
Ask Andrew for the current thoughts about the "so desired" code.

I don't want to be really rude using "wrong" words, anyway I'll say only ONE phrase about his behave:

Now show your face to all users and tell them about this project is no longer to exist because the criminal attach made to it.

English is NOT my main language and I hope message is clear enought:

Hi better lose himself in a nowhere forest.
Anda y que se pierda en un bosque.

....Irony mode ON....
Well done man, well done.
............................................
Note:
Now you can find me on YouTube.
Productions are NOT in English... Yet.


73'Rafa.
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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by 4I1RAC » Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:36 am

I love openGD77 and how it has changed the paradigm for DMR for many radio amateurs. I made a few contributions but not technical--mostly just in the documentation, which needed some improvements at some point in late 2019--so just minimal.

However, I also realize that as a community we must respect intellectual property and licensing. It's not only about legalese, but respect for the efforts and intentions of contributors and those whose work the product is built upon. I don't think we should point our anger toward certain persons who are pointing out certain issues. Maybe that will result in the community addressing the issue at the source (pun?) and thus continuing with a good product while at the same time getting into compliance.

I can only surmise that the devs' intentions are good, but perhaps at some point, complications in the licensing (e.g., open source, with the addition of commercial blob) put the community and product in a grey area.

(BTW, the "commercialization" of the firmware should not be an issue, as GPL does not preclude inclusion into commercial products for as long as the source is provided/available and that derivatives of the product are allowed even with commercial distribution. Profitable companies have been built upon what is essentially free and open source software--particularly earning from support.)

If workarounds or reworks are needed, then maybe the community can move toward that as a solution.

For now, there is no question that the product is a great one and that the developers have devoted a significant amount of effort and talent into the project. The next thing that needs to be done is to determine how it can move forward if ever, or if it will get stuck in a licensing and development limbo like some other great projects out there.
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Re: Recent versions of firmware will be removed

Post by VK3KYY » Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:14 am

4I1RAC wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:36 am
(BTW, the "commercialization" of the firmware should not be an issue, as GPL does not preclude inclusion into commercial products for as long as the source is provided/available and that derivatives of the product are allowed even with commercial distribution. Profitable companies have been built upon what is essentially free and open source software--particularly earning from support.)

If workarounds or reworks are needed, then maybe the community can move toward that as a solution.

For now, there is no question that the product is a great one and that the developers have devoted a significant amount of effort and talent into the project. The next thing that needs to be done is to determine how it can move forward if ever, or if it will get stuck in a licensing and development limbo like some other great projects out there.
Kai specifially wanted to prohibit commercialisation of the firmware, however it is commercialisation possible because we chose to use is the same software license as MMDVMHost.

MMDVMHost (G4KLX) also wanted to prevent commercialisation, but he didn't get the license correct, and hence his code ended up being used commcerially against his wishes.


Now this project will be sold commercially.

I'm certainly not going to work for free on this project while some companies make money by selling their "modified" version e.g. with encryption.

I have no incentive to add any new features to give away.

I doubt you will find that anyone will now spend a long time writing complex new features like SFR or SMS.

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